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Poster: CMJohn Date: Sep 22, 2004 2:53pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: MP3 Sourced Shows - Removal Requested

From the FAQ:
Recordings are preserved in "lossless" archival formats such as Shorten or FLAC (not MP3) for highest quality preservation.

Why would mp3-sourced shows be accepted? Doesn't make any sense that an archive would want to include incomplete data...

Edit - And I never once commented on any other users in my reviews. There was no reason my reviews should ever have been deleted.

This post was modified by CMJohn on 2004-09-22 21:53:03

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffJonathan Aizen Date: Sep 22, 2004 4:46pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: MP3 Sourced Shows - Removal Requested

In general the tone of the reviews on those shows, although maybe not yours specifically, was mean-spirited, was a damper to read, and violated the terms of use.

Also, as I said, the information you were trying to convey should be done in an error report - so please do so. Some times things slip through the cracks, but this archive has always operated as follows: we'd rather have some copy of a show than no copy. When a clearly superior source is uploaded, the poor one can be removed. If you want the sources removed, I suggest you obtain a better copy, upload it to the Archive, then file an error report asking the inferior copy to be taken down.

Jon

This post was modified by Jonathan Aizen on 2004-09-22 23:46:32

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or Staffgreenone Date: Sep 23, 2004 4:51am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: MP3 Sourced Shows - Removal Requested

The problem as I understand it is that this uploader in particular is flouting the guidelines by taking a fully documented source, converting WAV>MP3>WAV>SHN, and uploading it here without documentation, challenging anyone to prove that they can tell the difference.

Of course, if the original source is uploaded, this will take care of it, but I think CMJohn is just being vigilant here, and with good reason - deliberate obfuscation of the source of a recording isn't cool.

--Dave

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or Staffsimon c Date: Sep 23, 2004 5:58am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: MP3 Sourced Shows - Removal Requested

If the uploader is genuinely trying to incite people in that way, then that's something that the Archive would not be happy with.

Is there any messageboard-style proof of this? Or can someone just upload the better quality shows so we can delete the current ones and end the 'fun'? :)

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffTyler Date: Sep 23, 2004 6:21am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: MP3 Sourced Shows - Removal Requested

I initially froze the first show this contributor put up because it was a mp3 fileset. I explained to him the rules of the archive and asked for a loss-less seed. He said he could do that and when it came up it looked fine and i approved it. Since then it seems that all these 'unknown' lineage / taper etc ... shows (all from the same uploader) might be mp3 sourced shows that were just converted to shn and then uploaded.

My interpretation in my interation was that he just 'wanted to get the music out' ... there was never any indications that he: ", challenging anyone to prove that they can tell the difference." which i agree would be wrong.

The person posting the 'attacking' posts appears to be another 311 taper who is trying to keep things as informed and complete as possible. this is possibly why the two of them butted heads.

The problem lies in the 311 taping community itself. 311 and bands like it (Slightly Stoopid, Sublime, Pepper, etc) aren't very organized or informed about lossy v. loss-less, source information, md5's, etc... because of this a lot of these shows just kinda float out there in mp3 versions with little or no known past info.

I would hope that if there is info on these shows that the 311 fans that are 'in the know' pass that on to us. I couldn't find a message board or anything so i don't know who to 'go to' to get the info.

Regardless, if these are mp3 sourced, that should be noted in the notes at least.

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or Staffgreenone Date: Sep 23, 2004 1:22pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: MP3 Sourced Shows - Removal Requested

It was on the main board at 311.com, but unfortunately, it seems the thread got out of control and was deleted. :(

Part of his post was quoted on another board, under the handle "SmokeOutKid" - the shows in question were posted by "DaSmokeOutKid". His post, in part (with some all-caps shouting removed, typos as-is):

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"For the record, I will take any show this jurkoff as posted, turn it intp mp3 and sh*t on it for all, then reupload the sh*ty .shn and let him download it and tell the diff.

he will not be able to, because you cant!"
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A bit concerning, I thought.

--Dave

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or Staffsuspect Date: Sep 23, 2004 11:53pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: MP3 Sourced Shows - Removal Requested

I guess what would end all of this is if someone would upload a known good source with all of the appropriate info included. That way, we can delete the unknown, presumably lesser quality source and move on with our music lovin' lives.

...tom

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